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Mft. PINCKNEY's LETTER. , t3 (CONCLUDED.) " " ' i-1 Xt uie third interview, after speak jng or transaction upon tne j-,a:es, .Kf which vour traders complained, & jpCinQjhejLflra PasAamaououdy yott oDttrvea, that ou hadhWgWjopgand anxiously upon hat I hid suggested t o you lhat the subject had at hrst struck you as being much more1 simple than upon careful examination it had been found to fee t that, in the actual state of the world, it behoved both you ' and me kiblcde'grce rof ctreurospccun pthat; Vithout tome explicit prcpotal on my; ?y:isr3titfo irA'TOvernmentVeould dclibcratend ict7 nothmgcoulJ be deme j-ibd final-I lyy, that you must If are roc to consult my own - discretion ' hcthcr I would snake auch a nrtmosal." s ? ';l lt appeared to me, that If this de-. tcrminauonsnouju te itrjisuu m, my, overture trat not likely to be suc cessful, and I urged, accordingly, the propriety of coin on - in a course .whsch would It ad us to a better issue That courie was, that we should un iriUndne another as to our resnvc- live iricws,"andTtlaVa cuncise note, Vkh I had in fact prepared ince the last meeting, should ihtn be pre seated and acted uponi You inform edme that my, wish in this particular could not be acceded to Out, if I presented note, you taust be Jft at perfect liberty to decide upon trhatit troposed ; that you could not give tne even an intimation of the proba ble consequences of it ; and, ma word, thit you would neither invite, hqr dis-: t outage such a proceeding. You ad ded that there were some roints be- lotlngto the subject width it would he proper to discuss in wrliins t one of which was the connection beaten our Embargo and your orders of I'o- Thrower, vrposcq to uc impiicu ' uy. my pof osaui rcmatketl that, w itn an actual mult hview7"ar.d with a ih;. to arr i ve at that result w ithout delay, it could Vict be advistablc to tntsngle outstjrc bra written cor respondence, undefined as to its scope and duratic-r, uponxtopic on which were nothkcly to agree f and that, if I were tor frame my note, with a V l-.l - 'V . ' . (.wwicuj55 inaiu was tp pro vokc ar gument, instead of leading at this cri sis to a fculatury change in tie state of. the world, you must be conscious that , f;too must argue. And w here would this end ?,To what wholesome conse- quence woukt it conduct us f At the close of the interview, I obterved ic loounir upon which tnev subject was now placed, made delay of no Importances I should : take time to preparesuch further proceeding as the occasion required; v ; I T Oa the 2Cth or August I. had the honor to see you again j and after en tering more at large than I had before believed to be proper, Into a . consi deration of the elTcct of my proposal, , 7u,v auncrinij to your or ders in Council, and, afterreading to you parts of my Instructions, I de brertd an oOicial note, in which the ffopwal was-madc- in the form rc -! . Something was said at this inter--view, of the nfTuir of the Chesapeake, U' f'1 rnl', rrodanvuioa, hich it is not, I presume, necessary w repeat;, It wUl be? suincicnttostateV (injt j ou asked me w hat was tobetlone mh Uiese subjects t aud that my re-' wag, that they had no connection ,vitli the present ; but that I could say,4 0 ,lhconfide ncfe, tliat my ovtrsnoe Jl3a, CVlTV riisnnkltirtn tr sttmrl tn . . y r " j - cni itli a1 view to audi adjust ment as, would he honorable to both parties. I did not suppose that it was expected (for you did not intimate such an expectation) that renewed ne gotiation upon these points should, as well as the repeal, upon terms,-of by a lormal overture from the irovern- I wall not; trouble you with inanr observations. more ' ' 't,!'Jr '::! You state in youi4 letter that M there was one point upon which you were particularly anxious W receive precise information, - and upon which, . from fortunate enough to obtain iuM This was w whethef iri fact the OrtlcrsJn Council of ; Nor; tf be raifeio'fffttif' W'-jgO'vcromenoftthilted, States rvtousl9themeVaM of the Presi dcht propOTiTrg th eJE mbargo, sor asto ue a mpTingconsiaeration to mat mes- v, I 'I'JOte this; passage, pnoci- f the WtwJMayjcaU to your rtcol- ccttun, that urjtestions. upon theVubjcct of - it, were not made offi ciallyV or as being authorised, or fur nishe d;x by, anyt communication from my government, or in answer" to a- ny d i recle n qnirics on vourniirTr The v - ,-, . were very oriear made, near the close,' as I think, ofs.our third interview, in consequencr ol yotir muraation,- in tended perhaps to a nwunt to an enqui rv, that my pi opalaj implied, that the Embargo had tcctv produced by the Orders of November ! to which von added, that this coulipot be admittcxL and (as I comprehended what you said) that it even required to be made the subject of tome notice orNdiscussiori i ... t i ?.t ' in wiuiiMiniiinairijrcoTincciea Wltn my proposal, if it aliould be brought " i vr aru in mat snape ; and 1 under- ttood you to,awigni this as one of the reasons whr a written overture vasr indispensable. In replyinffto that in- umanun, anu.mc remarks wnicn ioi. did in fact speak , from general infor-mation-only, - and ldisclaimed sis it: wasmy- duty to do,- all authority.to aav more, upon the nature and origin of the Embargo, . than ' I had some time before, communicated to you, in obedience to the orders of the Presi dent. 'The purpose of my observations was chiefly to shew, that there was no inducement, for embarking in format discussions upon this point and 1 as sured you that it was riot in my pow er, cither as it respected instructions from my go vernraenC-or knowledge of facts, to do so. 'IMy opinion was, aind I spoke" accordinriy, thatit was one of those-questions which might ' t n. . - '.a . 1.1 a .u oc icn.tuinpieieiy at resi, whiiuui uic least injury to the wisdom or the jus tice of ourxonclusiorui upon the great object of, our conferences, Ihcre could bend,onjecuon noweYcrj ymy giving you or thishcad such conjee tural informanbnas 1 was ahlejpn th contrary', , by fully disclosing to yoti my own materials for forming art opinion upon it,1 you' would be cna bled niofe distinctly to see that I could tale ooart in an vii3wuaiu n vv you migm;propose to apply to it j and I could not but be assured,' that any anxiety. yoV might , feel tq obtain a InoVledgethc-factJrin-eiUesttOT sprung from iJcocWionTnich-had -every claim totny respect . for I knewlhat your mind was far above the -reader prejudices -which would aj. cribe, to the American Embargo to participation iri the councils or views ' of ytfur adversary, hot of any foreign power whatsoever. " lfy Bugges'tions were to the follow ing effect i that I believed thatno co 'py f veuorders frf Nove mber had arrived in the United, States at the d;o of the President's message that a rCcent: change Yin the - conduct' of r ranee to our prejudice did appear to be known : that i nielli gence had been received, and a belief entertained, of your - intent to adopt 'some - iurthtr against. France by-whichour com merce' and our rights would; be affec ted ttharth ere was ; f ea son to condudev that, you had actually adopted such a measure ; that (as 1 had collected froth Anterican ewspaprs) .this had appeared , from private letters and tlieS newspapers of this country received in the United States some day before Ihelmel probably known to the government; tham aTword: PfJx ro Jbeassailed by the combined t Hors of both the bUigewnt. parties I and that the " Embargo was " a measure of .wise ftnd peaceful precaution, 'a-t dopted under this view of reasonably anticipated peril. 11 :t ,'i-v':"; v You observe in another paro(yWr; letter, 4 that you have always rather wished to refer the argumentative dis cussion of the subiect ot the Orders in 1 , Council to theofifcial correspondence. jrnicn you nave.morejtnannce ueen taughuo tLxpecLmejajopenuponit.! if I should obiect to anv nart of this statement,- of which the substance is und oubtcdly correct, it would be, to the words more than once." Your w ish has always appeared to 'be such as you now represent it, and you had reason to,l expert that I would com mence a written discussion of the or ders of November, -wxm after their puthcatr6n.fI hatT told ;ybu that -I should sdo so, and you had said that there could be no objection to ic Bdt you 'were afterwardi i informed that: upoa reflection, 1 had -determined to leaf e the subject where iti was until I should know the! pleasure of my go-ve'rnmentw't-lTlt,:f' f'b- STht orders had been officiallf com-i municated, not fo me, but to Mr. Madison, through the Ornish minis ter at Washragtoa. Iteehiedihere? lores, to be proper, unless my mstruc tions should make it otherwise, that the view which the government of the United States took of them'; should find its wayto youl thronch the same channel,; ahd accprdirigly the letters of Mf, Madison lo which I. have re ferredinmy note of the 25d of Au gust, did opetuXat rreat length, a dis cussion, which I could have no. in ducement to shun, although. I did continue to think m3'self authorised to commence it It only remains to. add, thafvour share in our several conversations was, jiai jvu represent u, 10 nave ueen. not considerate, an i that your man ner, although reserved, was, as it al ways is, perlecuy tn-mdly. . ,V . r -1 need hot savthat- if in this letter. HtternnideT the1 influence of sincere concern that the proposal I! had the honor to lay be fore you has beer. up-, successful, any thing is to be fdund which you could wish to be Otherwise than it 4 t shall be die fitst to regret, that I have not been able to' do tustice to my own feelings and rateniicni. I have the honor to be, - . , itn tne mgncsr constaerauon, : 1... Sir, your most obedient, C - Humble servant, PINCKNEY.' nr..' VV N. , Congress cf. the United States -TutRSPAT, January 10. - The house, according to the order of the day, resolved itself into a, com mittee of. thcr: whole house,' ori the bill tolreithe?cimrr"fe cxt'met ing.bf CoJvrrcsvMn Pitkin in-. the .chair; a.-: ..;;-;: Several motions were made to strike out pf the bill the words fourth Mon day fit May ',.' but the commiuee finals ly rose and reported it without amend ment. - Aftetthe Speaker resumed th chair, M r D, Rt Willi amsrtnevrtd thetnoti to strike out" fourth Mondau IriMau -Tlilsroduced consTdeTatIe3iscus - 'sio'nl J From observations .which fcl : v irora genuemen online suoject, it ap pcarcd that there were Hhreer ylewai taken of the question -Messrs. i'a- ' v oitiand i7..7itmwere against I an exxra session oi. .one5tcoacej.v- ing that the-Embargo would eventu Or ally bje jeffectual, and that 'no measures to be Uke.ntoweakenTheropin- " " ou ,aon;;thattne.iohe,ivoula be,adhcnTea to-lessrtasui G7wbotu- - I?A. r:....' " Xrrr 'Campbettf :and,61herf were : in favor x-t -v ofan extra session, oa'the.i gtoiundf 1 that if the Eurbpean belligerents did . not come' - to terms previously I to the - , ' t A J -aaLA U. --SHAii"-: i ----1 " 1 JWUU IU UJC DUi, iiiai n would be Proper for Congress to meet ' and consult Upon the propriety 6f re pealing die Embargo, and of,adoptinjf morN? energetic means of resistances , ii r. iuwey contended thattherewasV ?TiA-t--AlZL 1 HZT- uu rciu luicuuuuiu icuui lac cniuarx go i that frbnl the" first, there was ad i otention o f persevering in the Era- "hargo, as long as thepeoplc could be induced tohcar h.' That the original reason assigned for laying the Embar go was precaution that, nevcrthelessj it had been argued front as a measure at coercion j thaf . Great- Britain un-f derstanding it as a measure of coer- cion, would never- acq aiesce---that precaudon had been the veiL, through ' which ioprctonl like a Word, "was to V" be thursi upto thcihUH- iato ,the vitals -of .Great-Britain jhat the adminis-" tration ,had no intention of going to ' war, which was manifested by several circumstances ; that is to say, , the ap fc poiptment of oflicers in "(Hi new armyi".' which ; had been made upon a rule ex- , . eluding gentlemen of the opposition from holding commissions ; the house had refused t6 fit put-shipsof war. .. the treasury was in an exhausted state ; anjd he could not conceive if war -was intended, that a party army would have been organized that the navy would r have been refused to be equipped ; and that the treasury wpuld not haVe been i.. v . t rom the.se considerations he drew the inferemte that the Embargo was not to , be repeialed f that the extra session was ' merely calculated to Eeep the people V quiet tor tne presenr, jmct that whenr -Congress meet here in: May the citi' . zehs of the United States would be" told, that thev must W it a Tittle on- er, andthat thus the Embargo' would be continued till next September or tiu ' next May2 twelve-month. To theso criminations l)f Mf.infy,-Mr 'EppeiYiWincdi dMIlfry. G, Jail? vindicating the friends of the Em-; barcfo from his imputations ol insln cerity in their . professions of a dispo- suion to raise tne cmoargo at an early dayy 'a'nd retorted , upon ; Mr., . his' -charge of deluding the people enqui- : ring" for what purpose Mr wwey had -made the speech tie had iust uttered if -Whether tfetwat not intended to'fe-r fluente the mmds of thecitizensJit the East ?-A speech "sdld Mr. fyfrU .0 substance) which appears to be q very polished composition and - - very well cut and dried Jor thepurpose intended : . . ' w f j The house adjourned z a late houry- without cothlng to any decision r ' The hoiuse? resumed the considcra tion of the hiU, to alter the s ttrae,.(or the next meeting cf C9ngre,sS'7-wh?e' upon,- . - ' . - ' - i - V V '' A- I -AM. - " --,.4 , ' ' ' : ; t 0 v ' i Ax . . i V- -: -'TV, V - J . . J- 4, ,X : - ..iw,1. ' ' ' '' ' ' .Vr- ' X A. . ,
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